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YorkshirePud

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Good afternoon all - hoping someone on here could possibly help me out

My link with the Ash family is with Lucy Ash  whose parents were Solomon Ash & Ann Morris

Lucy Ash b1761 married Thomas Ash b1771 by license in Prestbury Cheshire on the 27th October 1790

Thomas Ash was 19 & Lucy Ash was 21.

Thomas Ash's parents where Daniel Ash (blacksmith) & Hannah from Bosley & Macclesfield Cheshire

Lucy Ash had a child Thomas Ash out of wedlock born 1789 (father named as Thomas Ash) baptised St Edwards Cheddleton

The following 4 children were baptised at St Edwards Leek (Solomon (1793, William (1795), Catherine (1799) & Ann (1801)

What I believe to be my husbands 3rd Great Grandfather John Ash b1806 to Thomas Ash & Lucy baptised in St Edwards Cheddleton

There is one other child to a Thomas & Lucy - George born 1815 baptised St.Chads Bagnall - this was a gap of 9 years so he may not belong to them


On their sons Johns census records on 1851 he was down as born Stoke on the 1861 census born in Bagnall - he was a potter by trade and married Elizabeth Taylor b1804 and had 10 children (most of whom became potters) he died 1866 (after becoming bankrupt in 1863)

I am sorry to go on and I hope I have made sense with the above and I am truly hoping someone on here knows this line and can confirm that my John is in fact the correct Lucy Ash daughter of Solomon Ash from Leek's son

Any help gratefully received

Regards
Marilyn
billbarnes

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Ah well this is an easier one as there aren't many Solomon Ashes knocking about (and we have Solomon Ash senior's will which nails down his children) and Lucy stands out as the family was just transitioning out of that (presumably Puritan) tradition of using Old Testament names. Plus that marriage to another Ash caused some mild confusion!

Here she is:

https://www.geni.com/people/Lucy-Ash/6000000042245535790

I didn't have the John Ash you mention, perhaps because the family moved and I missed it.

Disappointingly, Solomon senior's will (see previous page), which does mention some grandchildren only mentions the parents:

Quote:
I give and bequeath unto my daughter Lucy the wife of Thomas Ash the sum of Eighty Pounds


It certainly looks like this Thomas and Lucy
are the parents of the Thomas and John Ash from Cheddleton  (I've not found another Lucy Ash in this period), but my concern would be that we have two families because Ashes are usually baptised in St Edward's and it is unusual that you have two in the same family who aren't, but it isn't impossible.

I'm going to consult my notes and see if there is any other information in there. What I'd like to see is a will, of Thomas or perhaps a child of his who died without issue. Some other evidence like gravestones could help resolve this. Do you have everyone's dates of burial so we can check (Find My Past have free access to records this weekend)?

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Worth noting that Solomon Ash junior's first son was John Ash, born in 1806:

https://www.geni.com/people/John-Ash/6000000041864098544

He died when he was 14 and so Solomon and Sarah named their next son John too:

https://www.geni.com/people/John-Ash/6000000028440191949

So John is certainly a name doing the rounds in the family at this period.

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If you do connect through to Solomon Ash senior then you'd be my wife's 5th cousin.
billbarnes

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Ah in my notes I flag up the fact that there might be another son John in Cheddleton.
YorkshirePud

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This is wonderful information thank you so much

I had no idea Find My Past was free this weekend so I have just spent a few minutes looking for burials

Thomas & Lucy's son William born 1794 Leek buried 10 May 1877 Burslem St Paul

Solomon Born 1793 died age 2 on the 26 Nov 1795 buried Leek St Edward

George Ash b1815  died age 4 buried Leek St Edward 20 Dec 1819

My John's burial is not listed but he died June quarter 1866

I shall keep looking!

Regards to our "hopefully" 5th cousin!

Allan & Marilyn
billbarnes

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Good finds - the St Edward's records can be a bit difficult (see the previous discussion on trying to find Solomon junior's baptism) and FMP seem to have a better transcription than other sources like FamilySearch.

They have all the records for that Cheshire marriage between a Thomas and Lucy:

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/united-kingdom-records?firstname=lucy&firstname_variants=true&lastname=ash&yearofbirth=1771&yearofbirth_offset=5&keywordsplace=cheshire

FamilySearch have that first one too (although Samuel Roson isn't his father but one of the sponsors on the license):

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F1HC-865

It is that second one which is a cause for concern as it says both Thomas and Lucy are living in Prestbury, which would be unusual (but there might be may number of reasons - she might have fallen out with the family and made it back up with them, which might explain the will as it is odd it doesn't mention their children. Lack of family approval is one explanation for a marriage by license in this peroid):

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record/browse?id=gbprs%2fchs%2f4018471%2f00917

The handwritten section at the bottom mentions a Joseph Ash, blacksmith, swearing that Daniel Ash, Thomas' father, consented to the wedding.

Is there anything that gives Lucy's parents? I'm still slightly concerned we've not linked her back to the Leek Ashes yet. The fact that she is the only Lucy Ash in the period is promising, but with some records not accessible you can't always rely on that.

Thomas' baptism is there too:

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fb%2f765333485%2f1
YorkshirePud

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Good afternoon to you

I have been all day trying to find a link back to Leek, I cannot find her death or burial either - I have also looked to see if she maybe remarried but nothing

I certainly cannot find any other Lucy Ash in this period

Joseph Ash blacksmith was Thomas's brother
Daniel Ash - Thomas's father was a blacksmith too

The only possible reasonable link I have is that the daughter of Thomas & Lucy - Catherine Ash born Leek St Edward 1799 appears to have married Thomas Tatton in 1822 in Prestbury Macclesfield
She had 3 children and Thomas died in 1830. She remarried a John Bentley in Macclesfield in 1836 and I found her on the 1851 census and she is down as born Leek Staffordshire so I feel this could be a pretty good clue

What is strange is on the marriage of Catherine Ash & Thomas Tatton they were married in Prestbury just like her parents and she was down on the marriage certificate as being of that parish!

I love a challenge though and I shall not give in! Thank you so much for your interest and help
billbarnes

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The handwritten section at the bottom mentions a Joseph Ash, blacksmith, swearing that Daniel Ash, Thomas' father, consented to the wedding.


Joseph:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NH6P-LZP

Thomas:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NH6P-LZP
billbarnes

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There are various other Ash links with Cheshire.

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Solomon Ash senior married Ann Morris in Astbury, Congleton, Cheshire (it makes a triangle with Macclesfield to the NE and Leek to the SE):
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NHCM-FJ7

Also worth noting that he has a brother Joseph Ash (Lucy's uncle), so it is a family name around this point.
https://www.geni.com/people/Joseph-Ash/6000000041860754983

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Anne Ash, a daughter of Solomon Ash, married a James Oliver in Sutton just south of Macclesfield:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3L5-MB5

This is likely to be Solomon Ash junior who had a daughter Ann born in 1812:
https://www.geni.com/people/Ann/6000000041864296226

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There are some trees that go back as far as ours do and they include Moses Ash's children from his second wife, one of whom is William who was born in Meerbrook and died in Astbury, Cheshire. The rest of the family hung around Cheshire for a bit before going to Utah (hence the comprehensive trees of the LDS' website):

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/MZ91-YKT

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/9M7D-V8Z

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/9W8Q-MW7

http://www.familycentral.net/index/pedigree.cfm?ref1=5803:290

I have this in the family tree on my computer but must have missed the children from the second marriage on Geni. I'll get that sorted out.

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So there is clearly a well-trodden path the Ashes took from the Leek area up the road to Macclesfield. Bosley, where Thomas and Joseph came from Bosley which is on the A523 that runs between Macclesfield and Leek.

As the earliest Ashes in those trees and mine go back to Rudyard (between Leek and Bosley) it would be no surprise that one branch went north towards Macclesfield and the other went east/south to Meerbrook/Leek. So there is no real surprise that the two branches joined back up again and Prestbury being just north of Macclesfield makes sense in this regard.
billbarnes

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Looks like Daniel Ash was born c. 1744 and died in Macclesfield in 1817 (I can't find any information about where or when he was born and who his parents were):
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NHQM-FPP

Daniel Ash married Hannah Chapman in Prestbury in 1766:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NK1Z-R4Z

As well as Joseph and Thomas they had:

Martha - 1774:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N4RZ-XM4

Daniel - 1776:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3LT-NDQ

Mary - 1778:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3LT-JR2

Hannah - 1783:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N4RC-T7J

It is presumably Daniel junior who married Clare Cummerlidge in 1792:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NH72-96K
YorkshirePud

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This is wonderful info thank you so much
I too have come to a full stop regarding Daniel Ash and his family but I shall keep digging

I have been spending my time today adding the next generation and got carried away with Ann Ash b1767 (daughter of Solomon) who married William Stannah in 1787

Playing around on FamilySearch with the Stannah surname I found a few more children (spelt Stanner or Stannor/Stanor on some) all baptised at Cheddleton

William 1788
Ann 1789
Hannah 1791
Jesse 1793
Samuel 1794
Sarah 1796
Kitty (Catherine)1798 
Solomon 1801

Hope this is of some use

billbarnes

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Quote:
This is wonderful info thank you so much
I too have come to a full stop regarding Daniel Ash and his family but I shall keep digging


Yes, it is always possible he has fallen into a records hole like Solomon junior - it was only his father's will that nailed it down.

However, after reviewing anything I think we can be pretty sure that he is the father of the Thomas Ash who married Lucy Ash in Cheshire. If they had an earlier baby out of wedlock it might be why she is getting married over in Cheshire, especially if the Ash family were in the grips of Puritanism at the time!!

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I have been spending my time today adding the next generation and got carried away with Ann Ash b1767 (daughter of Solomon) who married William Stannah in 1787

Playing around on FamilySearch with the Stannah surname I found a few more children (spelt Stanner or Stannor/Stanor on some) all baptised at Cheddleton

William 1788
Ann 1789
Hannah 1791
Jesse 1793
Samuel 1794
Sarah 1796
Kitty (Catherine)1798 
Solomon 1801

Hope this is of some use


Thanks, it was useful as I'd added the kids from the will but missed Jesse. I'll rectify that soon.

https://www.geni.com/people/Ann-Stannah/6000000042246124016

There are so many Ashes around it can be difficult to keep track of all the branches (and keeping the tree on the computer synced up with Geni.com). There are numerous things to chase down, like seeing if there are links between the families that marry into the Ashes at different times (some I've largely confirmed, like the Fernihoughs).
billbarnes

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I was intrigued to find a George Ash from Leek, born in the mid to late 1600s, who emigrated to the US:

https://www.geni.com/people/George-The-Elder-Ash/6000000020920520480

There is a 1678 wedding of a George Ash to a Mary Addams in Leek:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5VZ-BGS
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However, after reviewing anything I think we can be pretty sure that he is the father of the Thomas Ash who married Lucy Ash in Cheshire. If they had an earlier baby out of wedlock it might be why she is getting married over in Cheshire, especially if the Ash family were in the grips of Puritanism at the time!!


Also, I see no reason to doubt that John Ash is also a child of Thomas and Lucy. I'd already flagged up the possibility in my notes and there isn't another couple around who it could be (even if we found one, these would probably be the most likely.

Do you have any living male Ashes in your branch? Y-DNA tracks the male line and would help pull together the various branches beyond the limits of autosomal DNA (which is probably around 5th or 6th cousins). Unfortunately, our closest Ashes get the surname via a female Ash because of a  birth out of wedlock (so the male line goes through to the mysterious father).
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Good morning
Unfortunately I do not know of any living male Ashes, my line came down through John Ash daughter Mary Ann (b1838 d1890) who married William Faulkner (b1836 d1890) in the Hanley/Stoke on Trent area

I do have some details of John Ash (our 3rd great grandfather) b1806 his male children and some of his male grand children if this will be any help up to approx 1950's but then I m at a dead end

The one who appeared to prosper the most was
George Ash b1834 in Stoke he went on to become a china and parian ware manufacturer employing 10 men 3 boys 26 women & 5 girls (on 1881 census) he died in 1901 in Bournemouth after retiring there and his effects on Probate were £16,243 9s 7d. Sadly I cannot find if he had any children. His executors were his brother John and his brother Johns son
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John Ash b1844 Cobridge d1912 married Dinah Adams

Their children were

Son 1 - Frank Stanley Ash b1868 d1926 married Rosa Astbury in 1892 Stoke

Frank & Rosa's male children were
George Stanley Ash b1894 Rotherham Yorkshire

and

Frank Seymour Ash b1896 Rotherham Yorkshire he married Alice Maud Hagger in 1921

They had one son which I can find
Peter John Ash b1925 Rotherham who married Eileen Joyce Goult in 1948

I can find one son for Peter John & Eileen Joyce
Neil J Ash b1952 Rother Valley Yorkshire (confirmed mothers maiden name Goult)

and

Son 2 - John Ash b1870 d1926 married Harriet Simpson in 1893 they had a son

Douglas Ash who was born in 1903 - I cannot find any more information on him

Son 3 - Harry Taylor Ash b1877 d1944 ***************************

David Ash b1848 Cobridge married Matilda Ann Parker in 1868 in Hanley - their male children David b1884, Arthur b1886 & John b1892

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Arthur William Ash b1853 in Hanley who married Mary Green in 1875 they had one son I am aware of named Arthur David Ash b1901 in Hanley

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Henry Ash b1830 d1890 born Cobrudge married Hannah Broughin Stoke in 1868

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Jesse Ash b1850 Hanley d 1915 (in New Jersey USA)
married Hannah Toft  1870 Etruria
they had a son
Walter Henry Ash b1870

I found a newspaper piece regarding Jesse's death
In Trenton, NJ, on the 1st inst., Jesse Ash, in the 70th year of his age. The relatives and friends of the family, also Pythias Lodge No 61 K of P, and employees of Morris China Co., are invited to attend the funeral from his late residence, Carr Avenue,

sometime between 1871 census & 1880 USA census they moved to Beaver Falls, Beaver, Pennsylvania, USA he was working as a potter


This is about as far as the work I have done on this part of the family, if I come across anything else I will let you know
Hope you can figure above out I have just reread it and confused myself!!

regards
A & M
YorkshirePud

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Sorry did not log in the above is from me!
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